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by polish_english_me @ 2008-01-04 - 15:57:48

Accents are a strange thing. Especially if you come to England as a foreigner, and are suddenly faced with the whole range of them and all of their implications.

In Poland, you can pretty much speak with one accent- Polish. You would never really be able to tell what region of the country people come from, judging just by their accent.
The onle exception might be Warsaw but then that's just because most of the 'capital people' consider themselves to be better and try to sound posher and cooler than the rest of us. An attempt which generally fails and gives pathetic results, to be honest.

But in England (or Britain in general) it seems to be completely different. I was astonished to find out that you can pretty much tell everything about your speaker- the region of the country they come from, their social backrground, their education, their job and social position- judging just by their accent. It's incredible. And sad and in many ways.

You're one of the few countries where 'classes' are still very much present. One of the few countries where one is forced to establish a connection to one of the classes and consider himself to be a member of it. Obviously this comes in the full package with hating/looking down on other classes.
You are the only country where people have invented words like 'chav', a phenomenon which I was rather shocked about.

But then it's not just about using the word 'chav' it's also about the way you pronounce it. Careful, or you might end up being assigned to some group yet again, even against your will.

We've had countless discussions and arguments about this in Oxford. Sitting at the table you suddenly hear people arguing:
'No it's not 'France' (with the short 'a'), it's Fraaaaaaaance'
'Don't be ridiculous. It's hilarious how you say 'graaaaaass' when it's obviously 'grass'.
'Marika, you learnt English as a foreign language, how would you pronounce it'
'Ehm... graass? And Fraance?' I try to balance out between the two thus causing general confusion in the hall.
'She said it in the southern accent!' starts one of my speakers.
'No you plonker, it was quite definitely northern' the other one replies.
And so on.

Next time Im just going to put on some ridiculously strong Polish accent.

But then I already do realise where it's going. I have to admit, as much as I wanted to, I've not managed to escape being assigned to something. I've not managed to avoid going one way or another. I've picked up an accent which I cannot supress anymore. My foreigner's neutrality is thus gone Im afraid.

'Your accent has become so posh' says my ex (who came from Stoke-on-Trent) with strong disgust in his voice. 'I absolutely hate your vowels. How can you say 'graaass'? Revolting.'

Having been told for the past two years that the Southern and posh accent is an evil thing (my ex came from Stoke and thus genuinely detested it), I have to admit I feel ashamed.


 
 

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alecwestonalecweston pro
2008-01-04 @ 20:35

oh polish - as often you raise so many interesting points here - and I would like to come back to them (and your latest comment on my blog) when I have ha'd a little longer to recover from this flu (and thank you, I am recovering).

To the northerner, it sounds as if southerners have added an 'r' to grass or past. Scots can say past somewhat like southerners because they roll their "r" when they are in the spelling - eg lore as opposed to law, arse is different to ass.

One of the reasons so many of my friends are foreigners (including Americans) is that they don't judge by my accent. (Also, for the same reason it's good to blog). English people tend to assume a whole lot of things about me when they hear my posh "BBC" accent, few of which are true. (Scots just hear a "bloody Sassanach" aka Englishman, which is quite refreshing.) Some of my Uni friends deliberately took their accents downmarket amd started using gutteral stops - but that has never been my style.

I would advise you retained just a hint of Polishness in you voice to avoid some of this mayhem of cultural categorising - it's probably marginally better to be regarded as a foreigner than allocated a British class.

But there's so much more to say...

ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-01-06 @ 00:22

Keeping my foreign accent here seems to be a blessing. Not even the French ever mistake me for being English, and I feel rather welcome there, despite all the horror English stories of going to France. Here as well, about half the accents I don’t understand or recognise as English at all. My accent, on the other hand, every one recognizes as non-English.

I would never even consider taking 'get the correct accent' type of training.

sheilamoistsheilamoist [Member]
2008-01-07 @ 09:52

It depresses me to hear children adopting the glottal stop in imitation of the characters in East Enders. It gives them street cred with peers, I suppose, but it jars and is just as phoney as any other attempt to put on a different accent to try to become something you are not. Surely the only time we should modify the way we speak is to make it easier for other people to understand us. WHA'A LO' O LI''LE BO''LES is fine if you are a cockney, not otherwise.
Sheila xxx

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
http://lois.co.uk
2008-01-08 @ 15:30

Nice post: which proves my point that people from outside the UK often have grammar and vocabulary that puts many natives to shame.

I discussed this point with a German friend recently. They have lots of accents there too: some are considered "better" (= more posh or sophisticated) than others, but I think they are mostly regional rather than class-based.

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
http://lois.co.uk
2008-01-08 @ 15:31

Oh, and I'm ashamed to mention that I did blog about chavs once :(

wickedlifewickedlife [Member]
2008-02-29 @ 16:04

At least you've started speaking their accent. It's a goal I would like to achieve soon. Visit me sometimes.

Greets

RampageRampage team
http://the.blog.co.uk/
2008-04-18 @ 14:17

My accent causes me more irritation that it's worth. I'm Irish but I live in Germany.

Most people don't think I have an Irish accent except for middle aged Irish people. This is because I pronounce my THs very clearly (I'm a teacher and I have to), but I do not inflect every sentence upwards in the American question way, and I do not pepper every sentence with the word 'like' in the way that more Irish people my age do.

So even though most people my age think I don't really have an Irish accent, my parents and their contemopraries think I have a better one than most people my age, and I agree with them.

But, on the whole, who cares?

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